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In the early `20’s, there was a depression. Coolidge, following the Constitution and common sense (something of which Dems have little), let the Free Market do its thing, and the depression (coincidentally caused by government intervention) went away.
If you think that we in the LP don’t care, you’re an idiot. We care more. We know the government is a dangerous thing that must be controlled (the Constitution). Business has natural controls. We need LESS, not more government.
The Free Market is a myth, it doesn’t exist, it never existed, it is just a talking point from the ultra wealthy to keep the working class down, and themselves up.
We’re dems/progressives because we are people, and care about our fellow man.
like medicare and medicaid except for not everybody also benefits from it. medicare have to wait to 65.medicaid have to be in a certain income bracket. funny thing is, every working person pays for someone’s healthcare ,just paying for it down the road. but nobody complains about that. SPH should be a option
Personally I have a problem with letting big businesses try to take my money when I’m unwell.
I also have a fundamental problem with allowing a society to exist that doesn’t provide healthcare if people can’t afford it. Healthcare should be a fundamental thing that every single person should be getting, regardless of wealth. I like the concept of national healthcare. I like the idea that everybody contributes a small amount to the system, and everybody also benefits from it. It’s more fair.
Letting Government do anything with health care will do what it has done in the past: Make it more expensive and less efficient. Is that what you want?
The Free Market works without force. It convinces. It cannot MAKE you buys something. The government FORCES you. In Mass, they fine you if you don’t buy insurance. That’s the model Obama is using. It’s flawed and evil. LEARN, for phucks sake. You’re a Democrat now, but you were a person once. Try to remember what that was like.
The word “reform” is a euphemism for: “I’m in government, and I’m here to help you.” Translated into English: “I’m an evil, self-serving son-of-a-bitch, and if I can find a way to make you give up your freedoms and liberties without you even knowing it’s happened, I will.
You Liberals (Democrats) are so simple. There is no argument. Stop using government for things it was not intended.
The people in government are there for themselves and their power, not to make anything good for you.
There are some people in Government who are not evil, but as a whole, it is an evil monster which must be chained and restrained. The Constitution was supposed to do that, but it failed because the People were too stupid to protect it.
In sales, when we said that phrase, we intended to belittle. I’m so fed up with people who do not see the danger in the Federal Gov. It is controlled by evil, angry people who care not an iota for you and me. Learn that. Understand that. You’ll live better.
I don’t disagree that government officials have flaws, but you’re talking about “government” as though its a sentient being, which is very distracting to the argument.
Nothing good ever follows such lines as, “with all due respect….”
Why so quick to call government “evil?” Is it really an absolute evil, or could it be a possible good?
It is government that has driven up the costs of health care. I’ve worked in health care and I know what it’s like to deal with government workers, most of whom could not deal with working in the private sector. They’re used to using the power of government to get their way, even when their way is the wrong one.
With all due respect, grow up and realize that government is at best a necessary evil.
The major flaw in your argument against the Free Market and Government is that the people in Government are usually not smart enough to do anything more than get elected.
The problem is, the “solutions” they enact 90% or more of the time cause more problems then the problems they are enacted to solve. Also, it’s usually a problem THEY created that they’re trying to solve.
It’s idiotic to think that people like Pelosi, Reed, Franks and Obama can do anything effective.
Please explain further on what you mean by a “responsibility.”
My point wasn’t on how to make health care cheaper, for health care shouldn’t cost any more than what (work) the recipient has put into his community and nation. A federal government sole purpose is to establish law and order; policies that are beneficial to the majority, respectively everyone that’s a citizen. It is not the place for corporations or the market to figure out who can “afford” to live well.
Garyrg, why’d you remove the comment to my comment? This is what you wrote: “So why then, do they live longer than Americans, and have a lower infant mortality rate? ”
Check the way they gather statistics. That’ll give you your answer. Or, have you done that, and that’s why you removed your comment. I’ve lived in England and Canada. Trust me… You know nothing.
Go get em Bernie! We need national public health care now! Private insurers and providers had their chance, they blew it! They are done!
Bring on change now!
This idiot is a disaster. In countries where health care is a right, England and Canada especially, you’ll wait till you may die to get care. And if you get into a hospital ER with a disease, you’ll come out with more than one.
Don’t be fooled by Sen. Bernie Sanders rhetoric. He does not know the facts. It is government that has driven up costs in this country. We have the best health care system and it’s being ruined by government.
Let’s take care of Americans, not government workers. Are the people in government, especially the members of Congress, going to give up their health care???
Sen. Bernie Sanders will not. He is a socialist. He has no concern with the People. He wants HIS power.
In Canada, over 20 women were given Chlamydia because they could afford more than one speculum, or afford to clean the freaking thing.
That’s government health care. Go to a hospital for one illness, you’ll come out with more.
We need to post this video everywhere. The corporate media is only telling people about the Ted Kennedy, Mitt Romney style bill which requires everyone to buy a corporate health insurance policy.
@ctown The World Health Org. supports Sanders. The existing US model has been tested and failed by most standards of the industrialized world.
Gov. run healthcare is not being advocated - you are either ignorant or disingenuous. Under singlepayer, healthcare SERVICE remains PRIVATE. Healthcare PAYMENT would be single-source, non-profit.
In 2006, 1 out of 700 healthcare $ went to a single ins. CEO. That is no framework for success. Please take your failed ideas & get out of the way.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
In the early `20’s, there was a depression. Coolidge, following the Constitution and common sense (something of which Dems have little), let the Free Market do its thing, and the depression (coincidentally caused by government intervention) went away.
If you think that we in the LP don’t care, you’re an idiot. We care more. We know the government is a dangerous thing that must be controlled (the Constitution). Business has natural controls. We need LESS, not more government.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
The Free Market is a myth, it doesn’t exist, it never existed, it is just a talking point from the ultra wealthy to keep the working class down, and themselves up.
We’re dems/progressives because we are people, and care about our fellow man.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
like medicare and medicaid except for not everybody also benefits from it. medicare have to wait to 65.medicaid have to be in a certain income bracket. funny thing is, every working person pays for someone’s healthcare ,just paying for it down the road. but nobody complains about that. SPH should be a option
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Personally I have a problem with letting big businesses try to take my money when I’m unwell.
I also have a fundamental problem with allowing a society to exist that doesn’t provide healthcare if people can’t afford it. Healthcare should be a fundamental thing that every single person should be getting, regardless of wealth. I like the concept of national healthcare. I like the idea that everybody contributes a small amount to the system, and everybody also benefits from it. It’s more fair.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.
Thomas Jefferson
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Letting Government do anything with health care will do what it has done in the past: Make it more expensive and less efficient. Is that what you want?
The Free Market works without force. It convinces. It cannot MAKE you buys something. The government FORCES you. In Mass, they fine you if you don’t buy insurance. That’s the model Obama is using. It’s flawed and evil. LEARN, for phucks sake. You’re a Democrat now, but you were a person once. Try to remember what that was like.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
The word “reform” is a euphemism for: “I’m in government, and I’m here to help you.” Translated into English: “I’m an evil, self-serving son-of-a-bitch, and if I can find a way to make you give up your freedoms and liberties without you even knowing it’s happened, I will.
You Liberals (Democrats) are so simple. There is no argument. Stop using government for things it was not intended.
The people in government are there for themselves and their power, not to make anything good for you.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
There are some people in Government who are not evil, but as a whole, it is an evil monster which must be chained and restrained. The Constitution was supposed to do that, but it failed because the People were too stupid to protect it.
In sales, when we said that phrase, we intended to belittle. I’m so fed up with people who do not see the danger in the Federal Gov. It is controlled by evil, angry people who care not an iota for you and me. Learn that. Understand that. You’ll live better.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
That sounds more like an argument against the value of reforms, and a call for revolutionary political action, than a rebuttal to my point.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
I don’t disagree that government officials have flaws, but you’re talking about “government” as though its a sentient being, which is very distracting to the argument.
Nothing good ever follows such lines as, “with all due respect….”
Why so quick to call government “evil?” Is it really an absolute evil, or could it be a possible good?
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
It is government that has driven up the costs of health care. I’ve worked in health care and I know what it’s like to deal with government workers, most of whom could not deal with working in the private sector. They’re used to using the power of government to get their way, even when their way is the wrong one.
With all due respect, grow up and realize that government is at best a necessary evil.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
The major flaw in your argument against the Free Market and Government is that the people in Government are usually not smart enough to do anything more than get elected.
The problem is, the “solutions” they enact 90% or more of the time cause more problems then the problems they are enacted to solve. Also, it’s usually a problem THEY created that they’re trying to solve.
It’s idiotic to think that people like Pelosi, Reed, Franks and Obama can do anything effective.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Please explain further on what you mean by a “responsibility.”
My point wasn’t on how to make health care cheaper, for health care shouldn’t cost any more than what (work) the recipient has put into his community and nation. A federal government sole purpose is to establish law and order; policies that are beneficial to the majority, respectively everyone that’s a citizen. It is not the place for corporations or the market to figure out who can “afford” to live well.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Garyrg, why’d you remove the comment to my comment? This is what you wrote: “So why then, do they live longer than Americans, and have a lower infant mortality rate? ”
Check the way they gather statistics. That’ll give you your answer. Or, have you done that, and that’s why you removed your comment. I’ve lived in England and Canada. Trust me… You know nothing.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Shows you what you know. It’s the government that screwed up private health care.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
We “know” where his heart is, but what about his brain?
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Poppycock. It’s a responsibility. If the government weren’t so involved in health care, it would be cheaper.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Go get em Bernie! We need national public health care now! Private insurers and providers had their chance, they blew it! They are done!
Bring on change now!
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
You are dumb as a box of rocks. To even make that claim shows your stupidity.
I worked in Part D Customer assistance and Health Care Reform in Mass.
If you were able to read, you freaking idiot, I made references to Part D and Health Care Reform that I would not know if I pushed a mop.
So, screw off, and go back to Socialist land. That’s where stupid people live.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
“I worked in Health Care” read as “I was a janitor in a hospital”
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
This idiot is a disaster. In countries where health care is a right, England and Canada especially, you’ll wait till you may die to get care. And if you get into a hospital ER with a disease, you’ll come out with more than one.
Don’t be fooled by Sen. Bernie Sanders rhetoric. He does not know the facts. It is government that has driven up costs in this country. We have the best health care system and it’s being ruined by government.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Let’s take care of Americans, not government workers. Are the people in government, especially the members of Congress, going to give up their health care???
Sen. Bernie Sanders will not. He is a socialist. He has no concern with the People. He wants HIS power.
In Canada, over 20 women were given Chlamydia because they could afford more than one speculum, or afford to clean the freaking thing.
That’s government health care. Go to a hospital for one illness, you’ll come out with more.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Well, I worked in Health Care, and I can tell you that it’s the Government that’s making things more expensive, not the private sector.
If you mental midgets had your facts straight, you’d know that. In Mass, government health care is a disaster. Part D was a disaster.
Everywhere there is government health care, it’s a disaster.
Democrats are stupid when it comes to the real world. They live in fantasy land. wait till they have to live under government health care.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
We need to post this video everywhere. The corporate media is only telling people about the Ted Kennedy, Mitt Romney style bill which requires everyone to buy a corporate health insurance policy.
November 26th, 2009 at 11:49 am
@ctown The World Health Org. supports Sanders. The existing US model has been tested and failed by most standards of the industrialized world.
Gov. run healthcare is not being advocated - you are either ignorant or disingenuous. Under singlepayer, healthcare SERVICE remains PRIVATE. Healthcare PAYMENT would be single-source, non-profit.
In 2006, 1 out of 700 healthcare $ went to a single ins. CEO. That is no framework for success. Please take your failed ideas & get out of the way.